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045 - In the Absense of Miracles

 

When I lay on the operating table muttering frantic prayers into an oxygen mask while they bagged my son and tried to stop the bleeding that threatened to take me too, my relationship with the God I’d always known and taken comfort in cracked, crumbled and eventually simply fell away.

He had deserted me. I begged for my son’s life and buried him 8 days later while God and his whole company of angels sat idly by watching.

God was a big deal in my house when I was a child. One of my earliest memories, hazy and sweet, is of being cradled in my Mother’s arms in the glow of the early morning sun while she softly sang “Jesus Loves Me” and rocked me back to sleep.

Although only one side of my family is Catholic, both sides were devout, involved in their respective churches - specifically in the choirs - going back generations. And I happily followed in their footsteps, singing and worshiping and believing. Not always following every single rule (and often questioning those that I did), but doing my best just the same.

And then, in an instant, the foundation that I thought was as strong as bedrock rumbled, shifted and knocked me off my feet.

After all I’d done all my life to try to live up to the sometimes impossible standards he’d set, God vanished when I needed him most. He denied me my miracle when, to my grief stricken mind, it seemed that he freely doled them out to others. To others who maybe hadn’t tried as hard as I had to follow the path he demanded.

It wasn’t necessarily that I thought I deserve miracles more than someone else – I’m flawed in a million different ways - I just thought I deserved them too.

I’m still very much living in the aftermath of this perceived betrayal. I’m a tentative believer now. Wary and cautious. My church is made of eggshells and glass, and I live with the feeling that the slightest tremor could shatter it.

I’m awed by others who were able to run towards their gods and churches and traditions when I ran from mine. And I wonder what it is that gives them the confidence and faith that I lack.

Sometimes, in dark moments, I have even wondered if this is why I didn’t get my miracle.

Immediately after Thomas died, while I was still numb and thoughts refused to reveal themselves to me in useful ways that made any sense, I took comfort in the formal rituals of death that I knew and understood. Contacting the priest. Arranging the funeral. Going to the Mass. Wrapping myself in the security of the traditions and practices I knew and understood dragged me through those first horrifying days.

This was the only part of Thomas dying that made any sense. It was the last time I knew what would happen next. Or what, as a grieving mother, I was supposed to do.

When he was finally buried I had nothing left. No rituals to cling to and nothing but empty space and endless time.

And that’s what I discovered that God was absent.

Simply gone.

I looked and couldn’t find him. I asked and received no answer. I begged and pleaded and cajoled and was, each time, summarily denied.

And this abandonment fueled an ugly, seething rage within me. I continued to go to church, but I was suddenly an outsider in a world I that I used to feel so much a part of. I went simply to challenge God. To force him to deal with me. To taunt him with my anger. To let him know that I hadn’t vanished like he had, and wouldn’t go away without a fight.

Admittedly, I also went to church because I was too scared not to. This new God killed babies. My baby. And I was utterly terrified at what he might do next. So I went to Mass filled with hate and fear. For months.

I waged an epic battle with God.

There was no one great moment of clarity – no startling epiphany - that changed my thinking. I just slowly, quietly started to notice the anger seeping away. And in its place, a longing to belong again. To find peace. To make amends.

There is still a hole in my soul. There are band-aids and sticky tape and staples and glue bearing the weight of my fragile faith.

But I can accept this. If it takes a lifetime to grieve for a lost child, it makes sense that it might also take a lifetime to repair some of the relationships that were lost with him.

I have nothing but time. I can wait.

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046 - No Two Are Alike (comment)

My husband is a Catholic, we had a priest come to offer us words of comfort from the bible after our son died. I believe he felt that comforting presence, although I was so far into grief I couldn't feel it. Today, he is coming to peace, I think he's had that moment of clarity you speak of. I wish I had it, even for a brief moment. I have the hope I will get it, eventually.

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sees resolution in husband's faith; struggling but hopeful for resolution

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047 - No Two Are Alike (comment)

Thank you for the beautiful words. My faith has been indefinitely shaken by my baby's death, but I find hope in your perspective. Peace to you.

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rediscovered her Muslim faith; grew in observance and found comfort from narratives of the faith as well as theology

048 - Stung by the Thorn of a Rose

She was so perfect but too small to live."

 

photo by dysonology

 

Assalamu aleikum, peace be to all of you.

Two days after we lost Sarah we buried her on the Islamic cemetery close to us. It was such a horrible event. I wanted to be buried with her—how could I leave her in that hole by herself? How could I dare to go home? I felt my heart breaking in parts and I wished for death, may Allah forgive me. Then depression followed. I closed shutters and doors and stayed in the dark room all day. I didn’t eat, didn’t drink, didn’t sleep. I just stared at the walls and cried.

People outside lived their lives like nothing was going on, I thought that they were very rude. I thought the world had changed and everybody was in grief, but it was only me who had changed. My husband and I cried every day.

When I knew I can’t do it by myself, I was lucky to find a muslim therapist who had lost five babies herself—she knew how to deal with me. I am always thankful to the One and Only God that He connected me with her. She showed me this saying of the last prophet of God, Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him):

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah upon him, said, “Indeed the miscarried fetus will confront his Lord if He enters his parents into the Fire. So it will be said to him, ‘O fetus which confronts his Lord! Enter your parents into Paradise.’ So he will drag them by his [umbilical] cord until he enters them into Paradise.” [Ibn Majah]

She showed me my religion all over again.

I was born muslim but I didn’t practice the way I should have. We talked about how faith in God was important and how patience plays a big role in life. We went over the story of Mary and how she got pregnant through a wish of Allah—in a time when it was a catastrophe to become pregnant out of wedlock. Mary left her home to have little Jesus (in Arabic his name is Isa, and in Islam he is a prophet only, not son of God) all by herself and return with him. No one believed her until Jesus spoke from the crib. Allah made her the most pious woman of all time. She managed her trial with strength and faith in Allah, not fearing anyone.

I have grown since then. My faith in Allah has grown—I feel His presence every day. Just having passed my 5-year anniversary of our loss, I see now how much I have changed. I think of her with such joy, and thank Allah for blessing me with my two living girls for this life, with my little Sarah at my gate to Paradise, God willing. My little Sarah is with Abraham and his wife Sarah, being taken care of.

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In Islam, religion is not part of our life. Our life is part of our religion. Allah tests our patience and our trust in Him. Are we going to have faith in Him and get over it quickly and accept it? Or are we going to challenge Him, be mad at Him?

The believer is like the grain crops—the wind continually beats it back and forth. And a believer continues to be afflicted with trials. We have to bend with our trials—not be like a strong tree that would break with a stronger wind. Trials cleanse our souls from past sins, as the saying goes: we are not stung by the thorn of a rose without some sins being forgiven for the pain.

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We are allowed to grieve for three days. We can still cry after that, but must get ourselves together and go on with life. Visitors come every day with food and drinks, and to talk. You are never alone. If we have a strong faith in Allah, we know that everybody has to leave one day and that this life is not what we are here for to achieve. We are here to work for the next life.

Still, it took time to heal. I went through the same things that might be familiar for you—I saw pregnant women and newborns all around me, remembered the foods I used to crave, had milk leaking from my breasts, suffered postpartum contractions and had baby clothes at home but no baby.

Many years and two children later, I feel blessed with everything that has happened to me. There is wisdom in losing my child. It was a loss for this world, but a gain for the next.

May God heal all of you who are in pain. May He give you patience to move on with life, amen.

 

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comfort in Moksha from Hindu perspective

049 - Gone is the Ultmate Goal

 

It is in our hands to plan and do everything to the best of our capabilities but the results are in the hands of God. The way in which every living being comes to earth depends on accumulated karma. The better our deeds, the better the opportunities we get in this life to perform better deeds. In the end some pious souls get freed from this cycle of rebirth.

I believe that your young son was one such Divine Soul who only needed a short time before being freed forever from this cycle and will now become one with God. It is called moksha, the salvation. You [and your husband] were both the chosen ones for this to happen.

 

So wrote my cousin in India after the unexplained death of my son at full term.

Comfort was in very short supply and this was one of the only letters I found comforting at the time. It presented V as having his own thing to do, his own destiny, one which I could not—and maybe even should not—have prevented.

There are two main views on what moksha, the ultimate goal for Hindus, is like. One states that the soul retains its own identity upon attaining moksha and continues to exisit in an enlightened state of perfection. The other states that the soul loses all individuality and becomes at one with the whole—you might call the whole God—and is indistinguishable from it. A useful analogy is that it is like an individual drop of water falling and merging into the ocean. It is the latter which I believe makes most sense.

When my father died suddenly less than a year after V's death, I sobbed to a friend that I must have done something really awful in a previous life. But the truth is I don't really understand how the paths of different souls intersect in this way. How come V attained moksha and I became the mother of a dead child?

Today I find the idea that V attained moksha both comforting and distressing. Comforting because that is the ultimate goal for any soul. Distressing because it means he no longer has any attachments to me and no longer even exists as individual entity. Whereas once I felt sure that I would find him again after death, that the mother-child bond was that strong, now I fear that it is in fact impossible. Maybe that explains why these days I feel so very far away from him.

But there is a small beginning of a grain of understanding of what it must take to attain moksha. As I cling to my individual self, I see that I am nowhere near.

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050 - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

I sat through a (Unitarian Universalist) sermon yesterday, about the Universalist idea of salvation - that everyone is equally loved by some higher power and that that love isn't dependent on how 'good' we are - almost the opposite of karma. I wanted to really like that idea, but I had trouble placing the other half of what that means. It doesn't matter how good we are, so my son didn't die because of some wrongdoing on my part - but what does that leave me? Did he die because the universe is cruel and random? Because that higher power that loves everyone so much just does things like this? I think it would be really comforting to find a world view in which this made sense, but I just haven't.

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author's loss left her even less religious than before; negative example of code 4: author did not find comfort in religion

051 - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

It is the first time I post here...
It has been a little more than a year since I lost my son Alejandro. He was stillborn at 40 weeks. The cause was never found out.
I am not religious, but I did wish I were some times during this last year. Now, the idea of God is even more improbable to me. A friend who found comfort in Buddhism after her daughter was stillborn many years ago (I didn't know until I lost Ale and reached for me) gave me a Buddhist book to read, but I couldn't read past the 2nd chapter. Unfortunately. After a year I saw my anger and my fears (of never being able to have a living child) grow. So much so that I couldn't wait any longer to see a therapist.
I have done two sessions with my therapist by now. She is a specialist in baby loss and fertility issues. She told me I have to say goodbye to Ale. Like, writing a letter. I think I get her, but I don't know if I am ready to say goodbye. I am working on that as I write, trying to convince myself to do so. Have any of you done something like that? Has it helped to cope with anger and sadness?

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negative example of code 4; longing for religious comfort but finding none; sad that death of baby caused crisis of faith in others

052 - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

We are now, finally, after much deliberation and discussion, seeing a therapist. nothing spiritual. All practical. I'm not looking for philosophical reasons - looking for ways to make me not want to punch people in the face. All the time. Even when I'm smiling on the outside. I think she is definitely a good thing for us right now. Don't know for how long, but right now, yes. It is working.

Luckily, my spiritual crisis happened long before the loss of our daughters. But I am a little sad that their death caused some spiritual shaking for others that we are very close to. There are many, many times that I wished I had the comfort of a church or shared belief to usher me through grief, but I won't let serious issues with my former religion slide, not even if I crave the scent of incense and the release of singing hymns off tune.

I too have heard the maybe the short life was all the life they needed. Sometimes I like to believe that. Sometimes.

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053a - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

Interesting post, Angie. You've given me a lot to think about. In spiritual terms, I found a lot of comfort from the book "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" by Harold Kushner -- a Jewish rabbi & also a bereaved father.

I did not seek out individual counselling post-loss (although I did speak a few times in the weeks afterwards with the hospital social worker who had helped us). I did start attending a support group about a month later, which helped. There were no blogs then, but I also found an e-mail group, which was my daily lifeline.

We did consult with a counsellor a few times during infertility treatment, & I've seen two other counsellors in the years since then at times when I've been struggling with anxiety. It's funny how often the conversation will turn to a discussion of loss & infertility & its reverberating effects.

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053b - Searching (comment)

As Sally put it, physically, Katie's ashes were interred in a wall niche in a cemetery about a 15 minute drive from our house. Even after 13 years, we still visit just about every single weekend.

In a spiritual sense, she is always with me. Always. There is not a single day & maybe not an hour that goes by when I'm not thinking of her in some way. She's with me when I see pregnant women, babies in strollers and young teenaged girls giggling together (she would be 13 this fall and starting Grade 8 next week). She's with me when all her cousins are together and I think about the one little girl who will always be missing from the pictures. She's with me in my blog and in this whole online community. She's with me whenever I meet up with my friends who are also bereaved parents. She's with me when I visit the farmland my ancestors lived on 130 years ago, and the cemetery where they are buried, and I wonder whether she is with them all now, in another place, waiting for me to join them someday. As the Beatles sang, Here, There, Everywhere. : )

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struggled with faith but found comfort in pastor who didn't provide pat answers but simply was present

054 - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

It has been 6 years since our son was born-still. 6 years since my life was turned upside down and inside out. I did seek traditional 'talk' therapy after his death. But it didn't help much except to insure I'd get out of bed everyday and continue being a productive member of society.

This year for some unexplained reason - it ALL came back to me. I am a Christian, but am sick of the light and fluffy rhetoric. I was angry and wanted answers. I have a gracious pastor who let me rant, cuss, wail, question, doubt, hate, cry and be my messed up self. He was just there. No pat answers. No miracle books. Just there.

I also started blogging my journey. Being transparent. Lucas was conceived after ttc for a couple of years. My pregnancy was fine. I loved feeling him grew and wiggle and kick. During planned, induced labor, my uterus ruptured. My son died. The emergency c-section was too late.

In my intense anger I want to throw or hit something. I found a good sized branch and swung it repeatedly at a tree. It felt wonderful to release all that anger in a physical way.

Right after Luke died, I read every book I could get my hands on as well. Now I realize I was too numb to know what I was doing. It is a journey - a winding journey with serene places, rocky places, lonely places and tearful places. But a journey that will make all of us so much stronger in the end.

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gave up Buddhism and yoga practice because of disillusionment with Buddhist view of suffering

055a - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

I really lucked out with therapy -- I called a grief counsellor within a week of Maddy's death, and kept going for almost two years (still trip back if I have some IL to pound out). She was patient, intelligent, supportive without being sticky (especially regarding parenting Bella through my grief), and a wonderful sounding board to everything. I think mostly I had to process shock for about a year, and then I could get into philosophy. We had a few ups/downs -- for a while it was extremely draining and I would often feel worse afterwards. There was one session where she pissed me off because she latched onto a single word I used and I felt it was really "Psych 101" -- and I told her so the next session. But looking back on the whole, it was extremely helpful. I would say extremely helpful *in conjunction with* six months on antidepressants, blogging and finding this community, returning to running, etc.

I used to be an atheist who leaned Buddhist, but then I got clocked with suffering and decided that while I'm not a sunny positive "screw the suffering!", I'm also not big into using it as a life force that shapes me. I also decided the end of the journey does matter, and that these scholars probably didn't know much about being an infertile woman. I found myself getting more cynical so I let it go. I even let go a seven year yoga practice because I couldn't even stand the minimal stuff the instructors would say -- it would just make my skin crawl, and raise my ire and make want to shout "No!" and shake the peace.

I'm also very much in the minority here in that I really had no guilt to begin with, so my personal introspection on my responsibility was extremely minimal and short. For that I'm grateful. I did for a while want to find some "positive," some lesson or something I could take from her death, but I'm kinda over that too: I guess it just reaffirmed that Mother Nature is a cold-hearted bitch sometimes. I don't think there really should be a positive to take from that ugly mess, frankly. I love, I miss, and therapy gave me a toehold from which to do this without spilling over the edge.

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negative example of code 4; religious meaning unfound

055b - tea with emmanuel

My kibble are my friends in the computer. No matter how profound, or articulate, or mundane, or short. I've found so much here that's given me strength and peace and reassurance.

Otherwise I haven't found one. I've picked up my Buddhism books, but keep throwing them across the room in frustration. (how zen!) I loved Amy Bloom's Away, fiction, but with lots of thought-provoking nuggets. Otherwise I stick to sports and the crossword and let the mind go where it needs.

I'm always amazed when a friend can correctly gauge what it is we might like to read; a friend gave me the book I mentioned in yesterday's post, and another friend of the Mr's gave us elizabeth edwards' book which we both appreciated as well. I wonder if it's the act of giving that sometimes makes the kibble a bit more palatable.

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056a - The Inescapability of Karma--Maybe (comment)

I know that I am extremely late coming to this tread but I wanted to put in my two-cents and to share some thoughts on karma that have brought me comfort since losing my son just over 3 months ago. (Ellis was born, perfect, at 39 weeks and stopped breathing 32 hours later, we do not know why and do not expect to ever get a medical explanation.)

In the first week after our loss my prenatal yoga teacher came to check on me. She shared the following: In the Hindu tradition, the belief is that you are born over and over again until you have burned off enough of your accumulated bad karma to reach enlightenment. Once that happens you become one with universe and never need to be reborn again. When a baby is born, and dies so quickly, it is because they only needed one more short life to burn that last bit bad karma so they could reach enlightenment.

I would like to believe that that is what happened with my Ellis. That he was a nearly perfect soul and only needed a short time on Earth before he could become one with the universe. He chose me to give him that life. He died, not because of my bad karma, but because his was so good.

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comfort in Buddhist story of mustard seed

056b - supportive quotes

Personally, I have found peace in several ideas from Eastern Religion. Below are excerpts of the letter my sister read at Ellis's funeral. I have found comfort in her words:

"A few days ago your mother herself called to tell me a story that someone close had shared with her. Those that believe in reincarnation believe that in order to reach nirvana, we must be completely free of bad karma, and that each time we are reincarnated we are to spend that lifetime striving to work off the bad karma accumulated in previous lifetimes. Once the point is reached that all bad karma has been worked out and only good karma remains, you are reborn one more time, and then quickly pass from this world as we know it into the peaceful state of nirvana. We find this to be beautiful and comforting, and after holding you in our arms and feeling the power of your soul, we feel certain that this must be true.

Within that same culture is the parable of the mustard seed. The story is about a woman of
a great and ancient city who suffered the loss of her only son. Holding the child in her arms
and near madness with grief and sorrow, the mother went to see all of the wise and educated homes in the village to find help for her deceased child. One of them suggested she see the Buddha, and believing he could help she sought him out at the monastery. The Buddha said, “I can give you medicine to heal your deceased son, but you must bring the mustard seed from five homes who have not known the cold burden of death.” The mother thanked the exalted one and began her search from home to home. The mother went to all of the homes in the village only to find that none had mustard that would meet the Buddha’s criteria. And then suddenly she understood why, and she ran with her son’s body outside of the city and she cried “Dear little son - I thought you alone had been overtaken by this thing man calls death. Yet you are not alone as no thing born of this earth can escape death, this law is common to all mankind.” And she laid her son down upon the ground and let go of her grief and sorrow by understanding the impermanence of all things big and small. As much as we all loved you and we are hurting for our loss, we understand that this is the way of the universe, and that we must learn to continue on."

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057 - Enlightenment (comment)

Alienated: To cause to become withdrawn or unresponsive; isolate or dissociate emotionally. This was me for several months. Disengaged from every one around me, as if watching life go on from behind a glass wall.

What I gained was an understanding of despair and grief. I learned how long I could be angry at myself and be unforgiving of myself. I learned not to ask "could things get any worse" because just when I thought I was at bottom, somehow I was lowered again into a pit of heartache until there was almost nothing left identifiable as "Amy, the happy wife and stepmom." I have still not recovered 100% and have accepted I never will reclaim the Amy from "before."

I learned that sometimes there is no answer to the question "Why?" and to stop asking it.

I learned many people are ill-equipped to comfort you, and say things mostly to comfort themselves and protect themselves from their own hurt.

I learned to hate. This was the first time in my 34 years I had ever truly felt hate, and it was directed at me, for losing Solomon. I felt like a failure, that God was mad at me.

What I gained was a yardstick of how I measure the happenings in my life. I can discern what is important much better, and can let go of the small stuff. Unless the house is on fire or someone is dying, most day-to-day issues are not crises. Broken items can be fixed or replaced, wounds can be palliated.

I learned I can survive.

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found comfort in religious rituals involving friends and family

058 - Milagros (comment)

Sophia - I love your message on why you shaved your head. Kind of like grabbing the grief by the balls and saying, 'let's do this - bring it on'. I wish I was that gutsy.

Thanks Angie for the post - I do think rituals are so important. One of the things that helped us the most was that we had some rituals to hang onto, and that we were willing to make up some credible ones for ourselves. My partner and her family are muslim, so we marked the 40 days after Z's birth/death with a memorial service, after having a very small family-only funeral at the hospital. For me, this was the right moment to let our wider family and friends in to share our grief. We also made the memorial into the naming and godparent-designating ceremony we had planned to have if she'd lived, except that we chose godparents from loved ones who we'd lost in the previous few years - so that they could take care of her on the other side.

Friends of ours named a star for Z - that has become a huge comfort & ritual. Even though we've never had the astronomical expertise to find her exact constellation, whenever I see the first star of the evening, I take that time to talk to her.

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concern for wellbeing of baby in the afterlife

059 - I just want to hold him again

I also argue with myself about an afterlife... I don't know whether there is one or not, at least the way that we identify and recognize each other in this life, but love the idea of seeing my little girl again. I sometimes talk to her and imagine that she is in a good place, that she can har me and know how much I miss her and love her and that if she could, she would tell me, "Don't worry Mama, I'm doing fine. I see you and the family every day and I love you too. Try not to be too sad for me." But it's so, so hard. I cry just writing this.

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searching for a religious reason behind her baby's death; one of the few examples of someone who took comfort in baby's death happening for a "reason"

060a - The Meaning of a Life (comment)

There was no physical reason of Eszter's death. One day me&her were both fine and happy, the next day she didn't move anymore. The post mortem didn't give a reason either. She was a healthy, dead baby.
Yes. the whole world died with her.
I think that altough I have a living daughter too.

On wrong days I belive that I deserved this. Because I was not always a good mother, a good wife.
On better days I belive, that there should have been a meaning of her death. Then on these days I'm looking for this meaning. I didn't find any so far. When I cannot answer the why - than it followed by a wrong day again.
And later, again, on worse days I belive that none of us mean anything. We are just toys in God's playground, and God is neither good, neither bad, He is only someone, who likes to play silly games.
Or I'm facing with the fact, that I am not important at all, I am only a small something in the world, and it's actually good luck, that we still haven't died.

For me it's better to belive that Eszter's death happened on purpose. On my good days I think that all of us on the earth had choosen our destiny before our birth. I -God knows, why- had choosen a task, an experience, that I could only learn trough Eszter's death. And she had the task to experience death before birth. On better days I think that we -you and me, and our children, families- are chosen ones. Chosen for what? I have no clue. But I simply cannot accept Eszter's death unless I found out, what the hell the universe wants from me, from us with that.

Yes, I've been changed. But I've not became a better person.

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060b - Visiting Kaleb

I was also not that very spiritual person before. Now I have to belive in existance of spirituality to somehow survive the lost.
Similar signs happened to me too. First, couple of days after delivering Eszter I woke up in the middle of the night (my husband would say that I was on the border of awake and sleeping but I know that I was awake) and a child called me loudly - she said: "Mom, come!" (I have a 4-year old daughter too, but it wasn't her). I knew it was Eszter. I replied that I couldn't go, it was not my time.
On the funeral the weather was windy and clowdy. After the grave was done and all the girdles and flowers were put on, I placed a small angel in the middle of a girdle. In this moment a cloud'd just went away from the sun and the little angle was lighted. It sounds corny, I know, but at that moment I felt something.
The lactation had stopped after 2,5 months, and it was yesterday when I realized it. Yesterday I dreamed with Eszter. She was alive, and she cried and I could not feed her. (We have a quote in Hungary, that the babies who die before birth, cry in the dreams of her mothers and the mothers could not feed them.)
Yes, maybe I like to look for signs. I sometimes think on conversations that I would have with Eszter. Where is she, how she feels, is she happy... I know it's only me and myself, who're chatting, and I know it would sound crazy for those, who did not loose their baby, but you at least might understand this.

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061 - The Meaning of a Life (comment)

Wow. This also really hits home for me too, as does the incredible comments. I just had a conversation with my sister-in-law who had a traumatic brain injury two years ago. Life has been crappy and she wants to believe that it happened for a reason--she needs this truth to cope with life as it is now. I get that.

Obviously, our situations are oh so different, but I cannot help but strongly say, Bullshit things happen for a reason. Bear did not die for a reason. God or Jesus or the Universe did not need him or make him die. He died. Terrible things happen for no reason. I suppose along that same vein, good things happen, also for no reason sometimes.

Positive things can come to me, to my life, to the lives of people I have connected with after Bear's death, but that does not mean he died for a reason. I am not a better person because Bear died. I am a better person because he lived.

"Each one a world. Still enormous, still mind-boggling." Wow.

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hope and comfort in afterlife and baby's continued existence

062 - I just want to hold him again

I understand. Like Em, I do believe with all my heart that God is real and that Heaven is very real--even though I dont understand it all. Thinking of my precious baby boy in Heaven gives me peace (it doesnt take the heavy crushing weight of sadness away, but it does bring peace in the knowledge that I will see him again one day). Oh how cruel death is--looking forward to heaven where there will be no more death!

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063 - the Meaning of a Life (comment)

I'm new to this entire website, and this experience as I've just lost my daughter recently in February. I do not feel that my daughter's death was unfair but I do feel like I need to find meaning out of all this suffering. That doesn't mean that my daughter 'died for a reason' but I do think that her life and death have forced me to look at my life differently, to learn (for better or worse) a new way of existing.

There was a quote that I thought of often while I was pregnant and more so now that my daughter has died, “A child is a sacred guest in the house, to be loved and respected – never possessed, since he belongs to God. How wonderful, how sane, how beautifully difficult, and therefore true. The joy of responsibility for the first time in my life.” I feel like I need to come to grips with this lack of possession and permanency of all relationships - not just my relationship with my child.

I feel that it's a knife edge between despair and a transformation, possibly, hopefully to more wisdom....Right now the possibility that there may be some meaning and purpose for me to understand in this experience is helping me to get up each day, go to work, keep loving my family and friends and keep hopeful for the future. It doesn't mean that her death can be weighed or measured against the 'wisdom' gained through self reflection. It simply means that I feel there is 'work' to be done on myself in order to live in this world without her. That I feel I need to develop a strength of character proportionate to the suffering in order to survive.

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Rejects rationale ascribing baby's death to God's will, but finds "back door" beauty

064a - The Meaning of a Life (comment)

thanks for writing this post. i agree whole heartedly. the sentiment that these things happen for a reason is very subjective... and i know that some blm's also subscribe to this philosphy, and i don't want to hurt them or to belittle their beliefs or coping process... but for me, yes, there was no lesson, or good, or deep meaning to be found in my children's deaths.

at first, i felt this very same way. but then, hearing and seeing that people do, in fact, believe that there is some kind of meaning or direction or greater purpose involved, i tried to be fair and consider this possibility. i thought, hmmmm. what if god is building a big army of goodness, and s/he needed innocent babies to fill the ranks, sort of along the lines of the virgin birth. was my coral rose taken for this higher purpose? should i feel honored instead of bereaved?! well, no... this did not feel right. what could it have been? i racked my brain, and searched my soul. unfortunately, like the crazy 8-ball, all signs pointed to NO. there was no meaning or purpose. unless it had something to do with a vengeful god, doling out punishment. i rejected that premise as well. because... fuck that!! no one deserves to lose a child. no one. and no child deserves to be made some TOOL in some grand master plan to make us see or do or live better, by dying.

then, when my anton died, it sort of shattered a lot of people's suppositions that all this was happening for a reason, a greater cause, a bigger picture. wtf... where was the deep meaning in his death? because then, all it could mean was, either, life just sucks, or my husband and i were fucking cursed. i choose to think that it is the first case- life can SUCK, big time, and there is always something worse and more horrific to prove this.

having said all that, i do sometimes fantasize about god's great army of innocent babies, ready to nix evil in every hidden corner, my coral and anton holding rank and fulfilling their "purpose", and i think of how proud i would have been- if this was not anything but a wish or a dream. wouldn't it be better and easier if it all made sense? and their was some kind of equalizing justice that made it OK for babies to die? i need this break from reality sometimes, because it feels so lonely, and stark, to have babies die. to bury babies, or live with their ashes, only, or, in general, to be without them. to be without. it is so tempting to make shit up, about why. why?!! 7 years later, i don't lose as much sleep over this question as much as i did in the first few years. for me, i have come to accept that the answer to 'why?' is... because it sucks. life sucks, and there are no clean, clear cut, easy answers. it just is. not fair. no reason. no blame. no culpits. or, even- culprits, yes... but no justice.

and, lastly, i also feel that there was some beauty to be found, even in the murky shitpile. i admit that some enriching things may have come as a result of the grieving process. but, i admit it begrudgingly... which one of us would not trade our newly-found empathy and understanding for our babies to be alive instead of gone? this kind of 'back-door' beauty, i am not all that happy to have experienced it. i don't wear my badge of survival with much pride or honor. i wear it with a solemn understanding that life includes death. even the deaths of my children. yes, even their deaths. life is one big, messy package. it doesn't make sense, and although we try to make it fit into nice tidy boxes, all organized and ready to make sense in the end, the fact is, for me anyway, it just is non-sensical. and that is a lesson i learned early, for the most part... because my babies died out of the order of things- i was supposed to die first, right? wrong. their deaths broke that bubble of expectation & priveledge. now, i relate to atrocities happening in africa, in south america, in, well, everywhere else but my middle class american lifestylle. nope, no meaning in the end. people who find a greater meaning for my children's deaths, all i can think is that they just havn't learned MY lesson as of yet... just wait until they have an unfair loss, too great to bear. and then, they will understand better, how hard it is to accept the unacceptable.

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prior experience of loss left author feeling vulnerable; inspired prayer and an acknowledgement of lack of control

064b - birth after loss--how to protect

annie,
the phrase 'cautiously optimistic' comes to mind. but so does 'complete denial'.

i think its different for everyone going thru this.
some women have very pragmatic views upon having a miscarriage. and some are incredibly attached to a pregnancy from the first cell splitting.

personally, i learned about myself that i would be upset, very upset, if i lost a pregnancy. i had 2 m/c's and 2 s/b's, and obviously they all hurt in their own unique way. i had hope for each pregnancy, so, when the worst happened, it was going to hurt. the higher your hopes get, the harder and longer the fall. but at the same time, while i was very cautious and did not want to get attached to the baby, underneath that coping method was the fact that i was very attached to them, no matter how hard i tried to stay aloof and unattached until they were born healthy. so, for me, it hurt the same whether i prepared or expected the worst, or if i had gone about the pregnancy making myself believe that nothing could go wrong this time. the hurt was the same.

when we got a good u/s, or a good dr.visit, i left thinking, 'well good enough for today'. it was a one-day-at-a-time thing. but i never let my gaurd down, because i learned from my losses that there was never a time to be able to do so. when we had a bad u/s or some worrisome news, that was when it was the most difficult. i bargained and pleaded with the universe/god/anyone who was listening out there in the spiritual realm. for the most part, i understood that there was not a whole lot i could do to change the enevitable outcome, good or bad. i had to throw my hands up and accept that i, and the baby, were at the willy-nilly whims of nature. we said a lot of 'if things go well in december...' or 'if things work out this time...'. but even though we never said 'when...' and only said 'if...', i always was hoping so hard underneath my expressionless exterior that things would work out in our favor.

we wouldn't have gone ahead and continued trying if i really felt that there was not some chance for each baby we became pregnant with. i always had hope, and yet i always knew that there was a chance that we would lose the baby. so, it was a delicate balancing act. we had infertility too, so the mere act of having a conception was a huge hurdle onto itself.

i tried so hard not to dwell on any of it while i was pregnant, mostly a losing battle, but i tried to stay on an even keel and think about other things. i used distraction as a coping method, it helped me to forget that i had no control over the outcome. i watched a lot of tv about real estate and food and wedding dresses (anything except baby stuff), and i read a lot of books about sports and travel. when there did come an opportunity to connect with the pregnancy, i did my best to be fully present, to fill up my hope-cup, and then would crawl back to my safe hole of wait-and-see. when i felt particularly optimistic, i stared at u/s photos and marvelled at the baby's movement during a scan. we found out genders and named the baby asap. each day i tried to check-in with the pregnancy, to calm my mind and body with the goal being that i would connect with the baby for a few minutes, send him/her my undivided love, and then would go back to reading about the tour de france.

so, to sum up, i don't think it will hurt less if you expect the worst. and i don't think it is unreasonable for you to maintain a lot of hope for a future pregnancy. you just have to find the right balance, and check-in with yourself a lot, to figure out what you need for support while you are going thru it. it may help to journal, to blog, to see a therapist, to choose a confidant, to do whatever ti takes to help you get thru a subsequent pregnancy. and in the worst case, all of those things will also help to support you in a subsequent loss, as well.

lastly, i found that i didnt want to have any regrets, nothing to look back upon in the case of another loss... so if there was something i could do to help sustain the pregnancy, i did it. if my dr. mentioned a drug or a supplement or a technique that had shown some results, i asked to have it (only if there was no adverse risk involved). i erred on the side of extreme caution, and treated my body as if it were a fabrege egg, all with the intentions that i would never again have to wonder 'what if i had eaten better?' or 'would things have been different if i treated with baby aspirin', or whatever the case may have been. so, regret management is something you can do to protect. because having regrets and guilt is such a terrible addition to have to carry alongside of the grief of loss.

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